Evan Dorkin ([info]evandorkin) wrote,
@ 2008-01-26 14:15:00
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Entry tags:art, bat-mite, boredom, h.o.f., mxyzptlk, world's funnest

Imps I Have Known And Drawn
We've been doing a slow and sporadic Spring cleaning here at the H.O.F. for, oh, about the past three years or so. Recently this has taken me to the flat art file in the workroom, to see just what we've amassed in the drawers over the years that we've forgotten about and don't need anymore, as well as to pull some of my art to scan and put up for sale. I'm finding a lot of odds and ends, mis-filed roughs and pieces, art from friends, art we've bought, prints, portfolios, xeroxes of penciled pages from most of the DC comics we've written, assorted comic-related paper artifacts and whatnot. When and if time allows I am going to try and post some of these items; late 80's convention sketches I bought from cartoonists like Dan Clowes and the Hernandez Brothers, freebie head shots from Walt Simonson's appearance at the comic shop I used to work at,  Instant Piano-era birthday cards and doodles from Kyle Baker and Stephen DeStefano, pin-ups and pages we bought or were given by friends in the business, etc. A lot depends on what's small and will fit in my scanner, eventually I hope to be able to get Sarah to help me with some of the larger pieces when time allows. I already bug her enough with computer help. We'll see what happens.

First up from the files, the only piece of art I was allowed to draw for the Superman and Batman: World's Funnest book for DC Comics. Not that it appears anywhere in the book. Long story short, part of which has been covered here before: DC has a clause that prevents folks from writing and drawing material unless said person is on the payroll or incorporated. Fear of lawsuits from freelancers claiming their work-for-hire entitles them to ownership of Batman or whatever the hell under some newly-inaugurated copyright laws or whatever the hell. I guess based on DC's history they fully expect people to try to do whatever underhanded thing they can to chisel money and ownership of other people's characters when the opportunity even vaguely arises. Or whatever the hell.

End result, I wasn't allowed to draw a page of World's Funnest even though I tried to get around it by various means, all of which went bust. Can I have someone else write the page I would draw? A hassle, apparently. Pretend Sarah wrote it? We'd get in trouble and the world would break in half. Use a pseudonym? It could mean jail time and Siegel and Schuster regaining control of Pete Ross. Sign an agreement that I wouldn't pursue my questionable rights to the DC empire if I drew a goddamned page of a comic? No, no, a thousand times no. They wouldn't put me on the payroll for a lousy single page, and I wasn't going to incorporate for a lousy single page, so, no go (Somehow this hasn't been an issue at Marvel, expect them to lose the rights to every one of their characters any minute now. I've got dibs on Fight-Man and whoever else is left over after the great purge).

Anyway. I did get to draw the Bat-Mite and Mxyzptlk promotional pins, however. So, that made me feel a bit better and was fun to do. And since the buttons were part of the design for the book's back cover, I'd get my art on there in some small fashion, right? Nope. Some of you might notice that the back cover uses clip art from the interior pages for the buttons, and not my drawing. Because, good lord and choke, since I designed the back cover and wrote the back cover text, I could then apparently sue DC for the rights to the back cover and Bat-Mite and Mr. Mxyzptlk and Batman and Superman and Paul Levitz's Aurora models collection and the skeleton of E. Nelson Bridwell or whatever the hell. So, curses, foiled again to contribute a drawing to my own magnum doofus. A minor frustration, true, but it always bugged me. On the whole DC left me alone and I'm grateful for that, but I'll never understand some of the silly and arbitrary decisions companies make that stem from fear, laziness or just tight-assery. Like this, which was minor in the scheme of things, and not allowing us to incorporate a Vertigo section in W, which drove me nuts. And which Karen Berger had approved, so it wasn't just me who thought it was a decent idea. Grrr.

Here's the two little drawings for the pins:



World's Funnest got me another gig at DC, which was designing the Silver-Age Mr. Mxyzptlk statue for their DC Direct line. I'm still surprised they asked me. Here's the pencil drawings for the design:




Originally I had the idea that Mxy's name would be spelled out on his little cloud seat, so it could be seen backwards from the rear (the cloud being produced as nearly see-through). That didn't pan out. I don't think it would have worked, anyway.





Anyway, there's all the amazing fun we have time for today.

Next up: something else, eventually.


 



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[info]misterbroke
2008-01-26 08:27 pm UTC (link)
This stuff here is pretty much entirely responsible for that dumb little Superman blog I've bugged you about so many times.

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[info]gemmaluxop
2008-07-11 07:20 am UTC (link)
As has been repeated so many times, you do the crime, you do the time. I have absolutely no sympathy for her.

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[info]monykojuh
2008-07-16 01:52 am UTC (link)
You can either look at the truth, or you can do what you have been doing and continue to live in your shrouded world where everything is no one's fault.

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[info]tuanmandell
2008-08-11 06:01 am UTC (link)
It does not tell you that you can have anything, be anything, do anything, without limit. Sorry. That's the kind of fantasy high the Secret promises - and the hangover is a real drag.

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[info]stevespunt
2008-08-11 06:49 am UTC (link)
It does not tell you that you can have anything, be anything do anything, without limit. Sorry. That's the kind of fantasy high the Secret promises - and the hangover is a real drag.

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[info]mickymarog
2008-07-16 05:06 am UTC (link)
If you do the crime do the time, let the dull soft minded and sometimes inept judicial system stand up and supprt the police and deliver the appropriate sentence.

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[info]russblackburn
2008-08-06 04:12 am UTC (link)
Not a rehab so they can get a reduced jail sentence> I do agree that jails arent rehab's but if you do the crime.

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[info]antonyfynes
2008-08-10 10:58 pm UTC (link)
Thank you so much IE team you guys rock. Despite what others have said, you guys truly do care about web standards.

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[info]thurmangraimes
2008-08-11 12:30 am UTC (link)
Posted by lewism on November at PM PST # Jonathan, thank you so much. I have been waiting years for this announcement.

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[info]vincesatterly
2008-08-11 02:11 am UTC (link)
Posted by lewism on November at PM PST # Jonathan, thank you so much. I have been waiting years for this announcement.

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[info]marianotutt
2008-08-11 02:17 am UTC (link)
Posted by lewism on November at PM PST # Jonathan, thank you so much. I have been waiting years for this announcement.

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[info]jonahantonio
2008-08-11 02:29 am UTC (link)
Posted by lewism on November at PM PST # Jonathan, thank you so much. I have been waiting years for this announcement.

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[info]derickmingia
2008-08-11 08:57 am UTC (link)
Posted by lewism on November at PM PST # Jonathan, thank you so much. I have been waiting years for this announcement.

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[info]glenpander
2008-08-11 01:48 am UTC (link)
Posted by lewism on November at PM PST # Jonathan, thank you so much. I have been waiting years for this announcement.

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[info]emiliosinkler
2008-08-11 02:21 am UTC (link)
Posted by lewism on November at PM PST # Jonathan, thank you so much. I have been waiting years for this announcement.

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[info]broderickmiddl
2008-08-11 01:51 am UTC (link)
Posted by lewism on November at PM PST # Jonathan, thank you so much. I have been waiting years for this announcement.

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[info]stevensnoddey
2008-08-11 03:16 am UTC (link)
Posted by lewism on November at PM PST # Jonathan, thank you so much. I have been waiting years for this announcement.

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[info]isaiahhaynen
2008-08-11 04:25 am UTC (link)
Posted by lewism on November at PM PST # Jonathan, thank you so much. I have been waiting years for this announcement.

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[info]alyssadabiv
2008-08-03 04:51 pm UTC (link)
If you have a pirated copy, vista will tell on you eventually. So far, I must say getting linux up and running was easier than vista, and vista was pre-installed.

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[info]willardlakinsk
2008-08-11 12:54 am UTC (link)
If you are not gonna release vista messenger tell us now so we can stop waiting. Or if you are really truely honestly gonna release it give us somthing anything as far as a update.

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[info]gastonjarriell
2008-08-10 09:18 pm UTC (link)
On our system normally you don't hear it since it went trunked but every once in a while it breaks through as you can hear it in the electronics/radio panel in the back of the rig.

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[info]victorweatherf
2008-08-10 10:42 pm UTC (link)
I have to say thank you, thank you, thank you so much to those of you who kicked in. We collected and served free ice cream out of the ice cream truck to at least 65 kids in about forty minutes.

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[info]felipevenam
2008-08-10 11:26 pm UTC (link)
I have to say thank you, thank you, thank you so much to those of you who kicked in. We collected and served free ice cream out of the ice cream truck to at least 65 kids in about forty minutes.

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[info]ervinstrohmayr
2008-08-11 12:10 am UTC (link)
I have to say thank you, thank you, thank you so much to those of you who kicked in. We collected and served free ice cream out of the ice cream truck to at least 65 kids in about forty minutes.

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[info]lynnschryer
2008-08-11 12:22 am UTC (link)
I have to say thank you, thank you, thank you so much to those of you who kicked in. We collected and served free ice cream out of the ice cream truck to at least 65 kids in about forty minutes.

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[info]cartermolle
2008-08-10 11:16 pm UTC (link)
I have to say thank you, thank you, thank you so much to those of you who kicked in. We collected and served free ice cream out of the ice cream truck to at least 65 kids in about forty minutes.

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[info]emoryalakai
2008-08-10 11:55 pm UTC (link)
I have to say thank you, thank you, thank you so much to those of you who kicked in. We collected and served free ice cream out of the ice cream truck to at least 65 kids in about forty minutes.

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[info]icebluenothing
2008-01-26 09:29 pm UTC (link)
.... First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.

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[info]evandorkin
2008-01-26 10:24 pm UTC (link)
I'd lose two family members.

Hmmmmm...

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[info]icebluenothing
2008-01-26 10:53 pm UTC (link)
Well -- if they're family members you're at all fond of -- perhaps we could offer a period of amnesty first, during which lawyers would have a chance to take up a trade that is more respectable and less harmful to society at large, such as peddling drugs to minors.

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[info]lenspringar
2008-08-06 04:53 am UTC (link)
And by "knocked me out" I mean that after managing to make it to the toilet for a liquid number 2, I'd hobble back to bed to "rest my eyes" and I'd lose 2 hours.

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[info]mscongeniality
2008-01-26 09:35 pm UTC (link)
Oddly, I was just looking at my Bat-Mite pin this morning.

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[info]ugnaught7
2008-01-26 09:47 pm UTC (link)
Oh man, I didn't know you drew those pins! I had both of them on a backpack, but I lost the Bat-Mite one on a plane. I was pretty bummed. I also didn't know you designed the statue. I've wanted one for years, now I have to get one. I dunno why, but I always liked the goofy villains likes Mxyzptlk, Bat-Mite, and the Impossible Man.

World's Funnest is still one of my favorite books I've got. Do you have any old posts about what it was like to get that book made? Getting so many people on board, how closely you worked with any of them, did you choose everyone yourself, that kind of thing? I'd be interested to read them.

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[info]evandorkin
2008-01-26 10:22 pm UTC (link)
I've discussed WF plenty around here, unfortunately I don't think I tagged any posts until, um, a month or three ago. So, good luck finding it. I guess you could Google like mad during a hospital stay or ten-hr flight delay or what have you. Sorry. This is a one-man operation, and I'm short a man.

Anyway:

I chose almost all of the folks involved. Joey Cavalieri helped contact some of them I didn't have access to, he also tossed some names into the hat when I was drawing a blank or we hit dead ends. We tried getting Eisner for Earth X, for instance, he handled that for me. Then after he turned us down, he contacted Mark Schultz. When that flopped, I think I then contacted Frank Cho. So, sometimes we both worked on fixing up a section with an artist. Joey also contacted Jon Bogdanove for Earth-3, which didn't come up to snuff, we thought about Stuart Immonen after discussing folks (I remembered his Winsor McCay ape in a Superman book) and Joey set that up, and it was his idea to get Joe Giella to ink Stuart's pencils, a nice mix of Modern and Silver Age.

I contacted Dave Gibbons first, iirc, and that got kicked around a little. I know I contacted Alex Ross very early because I knew he was first choice for Kingdom Come. And Joey told me his schedule was always hectic, so earlier the better. David Mazzucchelli was in the first three or four contacted, and after Gibbons agreed I realized I should have a Dark Knight segment and contacted Frank Miller, who turned us down, but then decided he'd do it. After that most folks fell into place fairly cleanly, we only had trouble with Earth X, and the Toth-style Super Friends segment. That was solved when I went to L.A. to attend the Annie Awards (Sarah and I were up for a writing award which we had no shot at), we saw Jay Stephens there and we got to talking and it turned out he was heavy into Toth animation style and yadda yadda yadda, we had our Toth. We considered asking Toth just so we could get an irate, cranky postcard from him, but we left it alone. I wanted to do Earth Prime but was nixed, so I asked Stephen DeStefano, who I wanted in there somewhere. Ditto Gilbert Hernadez, but we were booked full. Dick Sprang agreed to do the Golden Age, but he passed away. Joey contacted Shelly Moldoff for that. Howard Porter was set for the Modern era but he wigged out and left comics for a time and Joey contacted Doug Mahnke after we whittled the list down. We considered getting Rob Liefeld, he would have been a perfect fir in his perfectly awful way, but I decided I didn't want him on board. Seeing his name on the roster with all those talented folks, even if it would have been a good joke, I couldn't stomach seeing it. And he wouldn't probably fucked it up.

In the end. almost everyone that contributed was on my initial wish list.

I worked closely with almost no one. Nobody really wanted or needed any input. Jay was in touch continuously, but it was really just a matter of letting me know what he was doing, he only had a couple of questions. Jaime only asked that I keep the pages to six panels at most, he was afraid I'd turn in 20-panel scripts like I draw for myself. I did two roughs, one opening page layout for Gibbons which he ended up using, another to help describe a page for Templeteon, ditto. The cover idea was mine, I think I did a rough of that which of course looked like stick figures and dog poop next to what Bolland turned in, bless 'im. We never got far with the Vertigo sequence, I plotted it, but we never contacted Steve Dillon, who was my choice for it. Frank Miller's section required some back and forth, I had to do some rewriting because Frank added a few panels, but we also wrote the teeth gag together, I think the teeth as pearls wasn't in the original script. I'd have to check. Or not.

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[info]evandorkin
2008-01-26 10:23 pm UTC (link)
I saw pencils as they came in, Joey fed me everything quickly and some stuff came directly to my computer. We rarely needed to make changes, everyone was into it and generally firing on all their cylinders. It was heady stuff, working with those names, many of whom I'm a huge fan of, and writing for them was nerve-wracking when I knew who I was writing for. I was glad we had few changes to make, because the idea of "editing" those folks might have freaked me out. Asking Frank to remove something or change a drawing was pretty daunting, I have to admit. I didn't want to piss anyone off, but it was "my" book, so, in a few cases either Joey or I had to talk to someone and hope for the best. No one was a dick about it*. No one. What an experience.

And Julie Schwartz was in the script, and that was a pain in the ass, logistically the most difficult page/section of the stupid book, but it ended up getting done.

* Actually, Schwartz was a bit of a dick about it, but then, well, a lot of of folks think he was a dick in general. I kind of lean towards that assessment myself, sad to say.

I think that's everything. More than I expected to type, as usual. Gotta go back to the housework.

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[info]craigjclark
2008-01-26 10:49 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for sharing.

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[info]evandorkin
2008-01-27 05:26 am UTC (link)
And thanks for caring.

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[info]tormentedartist
2008-01-27 07:12 pm UTC (link)
That was interesting.. now if I could find the damned book at Jim Henleys....

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-27 09:15 pm UTC (link)
At Hanley's it tends to be filed under JLA, Superman or Dork. Books with spines rise to the top of the racks. If they're out tell Vito to reorder it. It's worth every penny.

Evan, I think I told you a number of years back that my dad won me a sack of those pins off eBay. I hadn't even realized it was your art; I think I thought they were Woodring or maybe Stephens.

Ken A.

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[info]zinccomics
2008-01-26 11:36 pm UTC (link)
I have the Bat-Mite and Mxyzptlk pins too. Now, I need both a Milk and a Cheese.

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[info]inkstuds
2008-01-27 02:06 am UTC (link)
Is he sitting on a cloud of farts?

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[info]evandorkin
2008-01-27 03:07 am UTC (link)
Let's see. I could actually explain why there's a cloud in the design, owing to the character and how his magic works and how he was drawn in the 1960's. Or I could be droll and say, "Yes. Exactly. You're exactly right" and then ignore the matter. Or I could insult you for your churlishness. All seem useless and stupid. It's a no-win situation. I cede the floor to you and the dumb fart joke. You have ten seconds.

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[info]inkstuds
2008-01-27 04:15 am UTC (link)
I think I have just been put in my place.....

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[info]evandorkin
2008-01-27 05:25 am UTC (link)
Oh, shut up. Your place is right here with the rest of us. Have a seat and a ginger ale. Mingle a little.

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Delayed reaction - re : Welcome to Eltingville
[info]samusektds
2008-01-27 07:31 am UTC (link)
Sorry to be OT... (what is "on topic" here anyway?) but I was just catching up on your blog posts and noticed the whole "W.T.E. gets a 4" kafuffle.

Checking YouTube shows that all 3 parts got a 4.5 star rating out of 5... so that should make you feel a bit better about it, no?

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Welcome+to+Eltingville&search=Search

On the other hand - I did notice that part 1 has 15,000 views, but for some reason parts 2 & 3 have about 9,000 views... did over a third of people watching not care enough to watch the rest? Oh wait, I was trying to make you feel BETTER. Well *I* liked it - does that make you feel better? Or after reading this post does my liking it make you feel worse? Or... uhh... look at it this way - if 2/3 of those watching it on YouTube watching to the end is a sign of them liking it, that's at least worth a 6-point-something instead of a 4, no?

Ok - I'm just going to stop typing now and go stand in that corner over there, don't mind me...

*cough* umm, as you were.
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Sam.

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[info]rien_molenveld
2008-01-27 04:07 pm UTC (link)
Can't wait to see what you have in store for us..

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