Evan Dorkin ([info]evandorkin) wrote,
@ 2008-11-16 15:25:00
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National Tragedy
I had low expectations for the National Con going in, but the "event" we attended on Friday and Saturday managed to come in on the HOF charts as the worst convention I've ever had the displeasure to sit through. In a broken chair no less, with barely enough room to move.  Dull, depressing, dirty, disorganized, cheap, dingy, hot, under-attended, under-produced, a nightmare out of 1982, with the same attendees and pros, by and large, grown older, but not wiser. A listless guest list, a volunteer staff that clustered solely around the Kate Mulgrew and George Lazenby autograph area, disaster-area bathrooms that kept getting shut down for cleaning (one of the sadder quotes of the show, from a very upset Penn Plaza staffer in the men's room, "People, please flush the toilets after you use them, if you use the toilets, flush them!". Even worse, he was more than justified in losing it, and no one apparently listened to these guys all day Saturday). Toss in a broken elevator and up-escalator on Saturday, a fire trap in Artist's Alley (two backpack-bearing attendees effectively blocked the tiny aisles, and a large percentage of the esteemed clientele could jam up the "traffic" flow unadorned with anything but a gut and a dream), some of the rudest, loudest, most obnoxious con-goers I've seen since the heydey of the Greenberg shows -- and you got a poke in the eye with a rolled-up, overpriced coverless Silver Age comic. 

I mean, wow. Wow. WOW. What an absolutely terrible show. Having nothing to do with how we did at the table, because we didn't expect much, just to cover costs ($40 parking, tolls, lost brain cells) and maybe low-rent dinner out for the family, which we barely eked out. And we seemed to do better than a lot of  those around us. And not a knock on old -- very old -- school bargain bin/back wall o' expensive headlights comics, hucksteriffic cons based around want lists and sweaty palms, which can be fun in a way if, like me, you like old comics, looking at original art, and eyeballing tables heaped with flea market junk that some poor schmuck still deems worth lugging all up and down the coast hoping some other poor dumb schmuck will buy. I can stand, and enjoy, these buck-bin, desperation extravaganzas, but this one tested even my Eltingville limits. This was Eltingville writ large, bulky, real, and stinktacular. I wasn't expecting MOCCA or SPX, nor the NYCC or even a slice of the dealer's area of the congenial, enjoyable and cool Heroes World, but I wasn't expecting this freakshow trainwreck.

The coldest bucket of rusty water to the face was the fact that the show was overwhelmingly male, in every sense of the word. I hadn't been to a show like this in a long time. Maybe the fact that the last National we did was spent in the table company of the Hernandez Brothers made it far more palatable, but I also remember savvier, nicer dealers and more variety in guests, as well as more females in the room. Not so this time.

Holy Hanna, what a sweaty male armpit of a show. Average age, I'd say, at a guess, was in the late 30's, early 40's. Older, balding, grizzled, overweight, zombified manboys in t-shirts and faded old clothes, shambling, ghoulish prospectors of dead dreams and junk, panning about with their crumpled want lists and thumb oil-soaked notebooks of who to hit up for what drawing or signature or who to browbeat into a 2-out-of-3 falls Texas Submission Monologue Death Conversation Match. A lot of sports talk. Knicks, Rangers, Nets, Yankees, Mets, local talk, boy talk, men talk. And a  lot of cursing. I like cursing, but I shut it down at shows, at least I work at it, especially loud cursing. With a lack of female pheremones in the room, and far, far fewer kids at the show than any I'd seen in years, vulgarity was on the loose. And the volume was set at 11 for the majority of the boisterous contingent, which was amplified by the closeness of the surroundings and the horrible acoustics (I'm not kidding when I say Artist's Alley was a fire hazard, and I'm not talking about attendance). It was a sports bar, a 1986 comics shop, a Creation Con atmosphere. It was a vibe I haven't witnessed in ages, something I quite honestly forgot about. It was dinosaur times, and I like dinosaurs, but there's a reason the fuckers died. This was one disheartening scene, even allowing for my own inherent pessimism and cynicism.

Sure, there were some folks having fun, there are folks who can have fun anywhere. And I'm sure there were attendees happy to be there, getting what theyw anted, seeing friends. But somewhere angels were losing their wings and baby animals were being put to death every time one of those Cliff Clavin-types harangued a trapped professional with lousy, off-color jokes that only the teller laughed at, or every time an unkempt mass with a camera shoved his lens into a girl's face (we had a very uncomfortable incident at our table with someone who took a picture of Sarah. "Do you really want your picture taken with your hands in front of your face", he asked, because he didn't give her time to do anything but defensively react like a deer in headlights, whereas I wanted to tell him to take a fucking hike for being rude). Or a slob dealer of tattered old junkbooks in boxes wrapped with more tape than the ribs of an inept boxer regaled whoever would listen with his opinions on the economy and the health care system or US history.

Bonus feature! People I didn't like: The dealer who got in your way and barked, "Excuse me, but I've got a trivia question for you!". The art dealer I overheard loudly and insultingly taking a guy to task over the original art he was trying to sell:  "Take another look at your pages,  then come back and ask  me again how much you want for them."  He actually laughed in the guy's face. The guy at the booth with the plush toys strewn about the place like a kid's bedroom who had no listed prices so he could jack them up if interest was shown in anything. Emily was interested in a small Wonder Woman beanbag toy but because it was "from the WB Store" he had to start a sales pitch spiel on it, with, of course, a boosted price for the piece of junk (Sarah knew it was worthless, because we threw a bunch of them out a while back because no one wanted them and they were worth jack turd on e-bay. The folks who didn't realize they were scaring our daughter by trying too hard to talk to her. The people asking creators for sketches while said creators were standing in the aisle talking to their friends. Those two yelling  jagoffs in the bathroom.  The creepy guy with his sketchbook full of his characters, talking about nude versus clothed con sketches he was getting people to do ("Just make it sexy, you know, innovate!". Ugh.) Myself for being there and forcing my child to endure some stuff Dante cut out of his book for being too "uncomfy". All the bastards who seemed unaware that other people exist in the world, cannot hear the words "excuse me" or "watch your back, please", and think backpacks are force fields that keep them safe from annoying people who dare to try to walk through an aisle. The Stormtroopers, who more and more have grown a sense of some sort of entitlement at these things to be in the way, walk in front of people, block not only aisles but the goddamned street outside the hotel, what do they think they are, security? They're idiots in hard-plastic adult Underoos, fer chrissakes. Oh, and, finally  --

THAT FUCKING BIGMOUTH PARASITE IN THE GRAY T-SHIRT AND BASEBALL CAP WHO DIDN'T SHUT UP ONCE ALL DAY SATURDAY.

BTW, This was also the A-number-1 bootleg merchandise leader of any con I've been to in ages. I didn't think anyone allowed this to go on, at least not as open and aggressively, as this show allowed. DVDs a-plenty, cripes. Just adding to the seediness. This was a dealers room show in every sense of the word, and really not in a fun way. It wasn't even flea market quality, it was tick market.

There were exceptions, sure, always nice to see Scott Eder and his original art set-up (He had a Woodring painting, oy), the guy who had the run of oversized Raw issues was super-nice, there were several back-issue and art dealers who were just plain folks, and I had a nice conversation with some people at the Albert Moy booth about Gray Morrow and a few other geek subjects...but there was such a preponderance of the loud, stingy, complaining, shifty, off-putting types, I now know to a tee how Josh and Bill from the Eltingville Club will look and turn out, and how they will act, and so I am writing this trip off on my taxes as a research gig.

And there were certainly other nice folks behind and in front of the tables. It wasn't just one endless freak parade by any means, but the monsters did tend to obscure the fauns and woodlings. Whatever the fuck that means. A backhanded way of saying thanks to the non-nutjobs who stopped by to say hi, we certainly appreciated the breath of fresh air and humanity and the brief staving off of thoughts of suicide or career change. And there was, as always, poor, harried Alan Ronsenberg, who I don't wish this show on. Alan used to help put on the charming Ramapo High School shows, and I wish there was a better show that he could pitch in for. Best to you, Alan. And of course, Walt Simonson, who could make hell bearable, and almost did. And anyone else I forgot, I hope they got the last chopper out, and avoided Sunday, and instead spent the day resting, reflecting, and washing off the leftover stink of the National Con.

Enough semi-nice talk. Now back to the intrinsic horrors:

The "Celebrity Guests" were a sad, motley bunch, and even they didn't do a ton of beeswax. Kate Mulgrew and some Star Trek trivia question answers, the marginal Bond George Lazenby amd some marginal James Bond-related folks to tie into the Quantum of Solace opening (sort of the only clever thing the promotion did, but, well, not really), some former Playmates with former good looks bolstered by surgery and greasepaint-like makeup, an example of internet masturbatory fodder, a coupla indy wrestling folks, all mostly looking bored and wonderign where it all went wrong, checking their phones a lot, talking to their handlers and hoping the weather would let up so their flights would leave on time. I think one guy actually grew moss on his ankles before th show ended Saturday, and had to be taken to the hospital, all the while being chided by two dealers who thought he had the "worst Swamp Thing costume ever".

Equally depressing was the state of the comic book guests and professionals, or former professionals. Maybe it was the room, the gloomy weather, the heat, the lack of crowds, the utter joylessness and perfuctory mercantile, table-selling dealer's room attitude of the entire affair, but  seeing ex-Marvel staffers long removed from the Bullpen Bulletins pages hawking comic-related books or Golden Age comics just bummed me out. One-time Rascally Ones, Jazzy Ones, and Sizzlin' Ones looking bored and nonplussed at their rickety tables, I've never seen people like Carmine Infantino spend so much time doing nothing in my conventioning life. I started making notes of what guests were doing to pass the time: reading comics, eating, tapping their pens, arranging and re-arranging books, staring at the ceiling, praying for death. Lines that did form were small, guests were forced into long conversations with blowhards with opinions on how everything in comics should ahve been handled, along with reflections and opinions on the economy, the election, and sports. Not much on personal hygiene, interpersonal relationships, or the evils of massive backpacks.

Have I been unkind? Am I making a Man Mountain Marko out of a Moleman-hole? I don't care. I'm not going back, I have zero respect for this show, for the Penn Plaza Pavillion, the people I didn't like, for this kind of show run this kind of way (did I mention there were no floor plans or guides for the exhibitors, either for the public or the dealers or the guests themselves --? Classy!). They don't need me, I'm not saying I'm the bee's knees and put asses in seats at most shows, but in my not-so-humble opinion nobody with an ounce of self-respect needs them. We've done worse at shows monetarily, but I've never come away from a show so depressed about not only a certain corner of the comics field, but about a certain segment of humankind and the neediness and seediness of certain folks and endeavors. This is just not for me, I'd rather attend my own funeral than another National show. I think this is the only show I ever went to that gave me nightmares. I'm not kidding.

On the one hand, though, I haven't ranted in quite some time to this degree, and for that, I guess, I have to thank this god-forsaken convention. But, anyway, what did any of you think, if you attended this thing? Am I crazy? Exaggerating far too much? Just being a dick?  Was this a barrel o' fun? Are you unable to sleep because it's a year away from the next one? Or are you at this very moment seeking therapy after a day or two of squeezing through the soul-deadening habitrails of a show that invites folks like David Lloyd and Bryan Talbot and leaves them high and dry on the Isle of Blight? I almost always leave a show feeling good about comics, wanting to make comics as soon as I get some sleep and recover. This time around, I wanted to go get a job in a deli.

May the corpse of Phil Seuling come back from the dead and choke this horrid thing out forever.



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[info]robyn_ma
2008-11-16 10:39 pm UTC (link)
Man, I'm sorry you had to endure that, but it sure did mak for some amazing reading.

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[info]curt_holman
2008-11-17 01:44 am UTC (link)
I was going to say that very thing.

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(no subject) - [info]trishalynn, 2008-11-17 06:31 am UTC (Expand)

[info]prickvixen
2008-11-16 10:56 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I was going to say it if you didn't, this kind of situation brings out the best in your writing. Sounds utterly appalling, but hey, at least it makes a good story...

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[info]thekamisama
2008-11-16 10:57 pm UTC (link)
Wow, I thought our little shin-digs in Nashville were low rent, but the show you describe make them seem quaint by comparison.

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[info]studioqt
2008-11-16 11:01 pm UTC (link)
If it's any consolation, Ms. Emily is young enough to recover from the experience.

But it sounds like you've been scarred.

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[info]bastardchimp
2008-11-16 11:07 pm UTC (link)
Note to self: Avoid National Con.

Actually, I hadn't even heard of it until your post.

Sorry you didn't have a good time. I;ve only done a few cons (Pittsburgh, S.P.A.C.E., Heroes) and all have been good times - although I have to forgo S.P.A.C.E. as it's just too much cost with no income to balance it out. I mean, I make hardly any sales. We're not "D.I.Y." enough, I guess. Maybe if the covers of my books were screen-printed by hand on chunks of cardboard boxes, I dunno.

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[info]elio
2008-11-16 11:15 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry to hear about your lousy experience, but this is the funniest journal post/convention report I've ever read!

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Don't mince words - what do you REALLY think? ;)
[info]jenndolari
2008-11-17 12:09 am UTC (link)
Sounds like the tragedy that was Trinoc-coN 2005 for me. I was invited to my first con in 2004, and it was GREAT. Totally awesome, and amazing. 2005 was horrifyingly mismanaged, possibly on purpose, and was such a let down that even BEFORE the con started people dropped out like flies. The attitude of the management were just atrocious and most of the attendees stayed only because we'd promised our readers we'd be there (not that they could find us - they didn't even advertise half the panels)

Sounds like this one was a billion times worse, but just wanted to say "I feel your pain." :)

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[info]doodlesthegreat
2008-11-17 12:26 am UTC (link)
An amazing travelogue of one of the lower pits of Hades, sir. Events of this type are a dying breed, and thank the fates for it. While I have not been to the particular event you describe here, I have been to ones in my own area that are its equal and have come away with the same sense of diaspora from humanity that they engender. May this be the last time you have to deal with such soul-shattering locales.

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Yes, it's all true!
(Anonymous)
2008-11-17 12:33 am UTC (link)
I was there, I saw it all and I'm sure everything you said is true. But just so your warnings don't get wasted, this is not just an accurate description of the "National" con but of all "Big Apple Conventions" endeavors thanks to the man in charge of it all, Mike Carbonaro. I've been attending his shows for years because somehow he was the only guy doing shows in NYC. I've got it down to a science. Since I only collect art I know where the art dealers are, they know what I want and I'm usually in and out in an hour. It's a shame but I don't even try to enter Artist's Alley because of everything you described. It's also tragic that Scott Eder's table is at the beginning of Artist's Alley and has the worst spot of any art dealer. Oh, and you should know, this is all a step up from when the con used to be held in a church basement. Imagine the whole con in Artist's Alley with the same ventilation and only one exit.

Well, at least there's the NYCC in February. How NYC could go for so long without a decent con? I don't know but hopefully NYCC is our salvation and an example of things to look forward to.

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Re: Yes, it's all true!
[info]puberty_rocks
2008-11-17 12:45 am UTC (link)
Well, MoCCA Art Festival is nice and far more roomy but it's certainly not a traditional con in that sense. You'd think the birthplace of contemporary comics would have better cons. At least the NYCC has been taking pains to expand itself, and from the volunteer side of things, they do have a certain amount of discipline and are used to better effect.

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Re: Yes, it's all true! - [info]evandorkin, 2008-11-17 03:58 am UTC (Expand)
Re: Yes, it's all true! - (Anonymous), 2008-11-17 05:20 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Yes, it's all true! - [info]leetlejen, 2008-11-17 09:46 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]puberty_rocks
2008-11-17 12:40 am UTC (link)
Ah geez, coming on Friday night, I was taking the girlfriend in for her first comic con and was hoping it would be better but I'm a painfully naive optimist most times. I found it weird that there were no floor plans or at least rough guide. It was incredibly cramped for all the artists it seemed but insanely roomy for dealers and more so for the celebrities. My poor girlfriend was feeling uncomfortable but she was comforted in knowing that you were in attendance and would get to see your shoes at some point. I should have taken her discomfort as a canary in a coal mine rather than assuming its her rural background reacting to the craziness of Manhattan (oddly enough, later that night we went to see [info]kellidunham perform and she was in her element yukking it up there.). While she and I had a fantastic time visiting the HoF (you're right, your photo came out awful) watching you and Emily draw (no enjoyment seeing Sarah's pain), it pretty much went downhill from there.

The toy pit you described charmed me from a distance but then seeing the dirt covered junk and the prices up close killed my interest in hoping to get my girlfriend a cute momento. I was hoping to peruse the back issues (did find an interesting Steve Dikto trade reprinting sci fi stories of the 50's and 60's) but the combination of hot and unbreathable air and the overall feeling of dread had us evacuate.

Question, does Peter Mayhew follow me to every con I go to? If con is in the title, he's there... I'm worried the wookie's going to mug me one day.

Also, you know that Kate Mulgrew's just there to plug her Broadway performances in Equus. My mom hated Voyager because she sounded like a midget. You didn't need to know that.

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[info]puppetmaker40
2008-11-17 01:40 am UTC (link)
Peter was there on Saturday for about 5 hours total. He found a space next to Robin Riggs and there he sat signing for most of the time. It was hot and crowded but he signed stuff and then went off to see a preview of Frost/Nixon.

He said there was nothing in the dealers room that he would even think of buying.

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[info]plattcave
2008-11-17 01:47 am UTC (link)
Yikes....

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[info]jackolantern
2008-11-17 02:11 am UTC (link)
a show that invites folks like David Lloyd and Bryan Talbot and leaves them high and dry on the Isle of Blight?

WTF?

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(Anonymous)
2008-11-17 02:16 am UTC (link)
Much of what you right was, unfortunately, true. The place was a stuffy labyrinth of bootleg dvd dealers. Why do those guys get more space than creators? Not fair.

The highlight of my day at the con (saturday) was getting a copy of Fun w/ Milk & Cheese and getting my copy of Bill & Ted #1 signed. Thanks again!

The lowlight: a very sad, lonely-looking guy who played Chewbacca thirty years ago.

NYCC is infinitely better.

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(Anonymous)
2008-11-17 02:18 am UTC (link)
Wow, I left a typo in the first sentence. Shit.

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(no subject) - [info]evandorkin, 2008-11-17 02:28 am UTC (Expand)
YES WE DO!! - (Anonymous), 2008-11-17 05:57 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: YES WE DO!! - [info]leetlejen, 2008-11-17 09:45 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2009-02-09 03:56 am UTC (Expand)
Gaaaah!
[info]newwavezombie
2008-11-17 03:16 am UTC (link)
Reading this made my Sunday way more amusing, I miss seeing these kind of rants. I'm also happy that there are others who share in the hate. Cripes, talk about a throwback experience. I think I would have combusted being subjected to the same, honestly. How Sarah didn't punch the douche with the camera alone is amazing.

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[info]craigjclark
2008-11-17 03:32 am UTC (link)
Sorry you had such a lousy time, but perhaps you can be cheered by the notion that you've given me (and others) an enjoyable read.

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[info]bougieman
2008-11-17 03:37 am UTC (link)
Haha that was sum gude rantin'. I really enjoyed that, actually! ^_^

I have never heard of this fucking horror show of a con, where is held? Somehow that didn't get mentioned in your essay-sized bitch-fest.

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[info]evandorkin
2008-11-17 03:46 am UTC (link)
The Penn Plaza Pavillion, as mentioned. Why, you thinking of going next year?

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National show - (Anonymous), 2008-11-17 05:00 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]bougieman, 2008-11-17 11:11 am UTC (Expand)

[info]yaytime
2008-11-17 04:16 am UTC (link)
Oh, man. I was at a party last week and a bunch of people innocently asked if I'd be going to the NY Comic Con this upcoming weekend. After correcting them that the real NY Comic Con was in february I starting going off on what a horrible, depressing experience I had at the two National cons I'd been too. I"m sure I used the phrase "soul sucking". Afterwards I felt bad for trashing the show so badly to people who were planning to go. Was I a snob for going on about how much better the MoCCA art fest is? So on Friday I debated stopping by after work...just out of curiosity. See who's there, say hi, show support for the NY Comic scene. But instead I went home, had dinner and drew. Reading your post, was like being there, and regretting it without having to actually do it!

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[info]lois2037
2008-11-17 04:27 am UTC (link)
I read this and I'm sad for you folks, who had to put up with it all. Unfortunately, you pretty much described the twice-yearly Portland Comic Book Show, held in the airless basement of the Memorial Coliseum out here. Only this year, the Stormtroopers went to New York -- lucky for us, though not for you. We go because we can get in free and my husband can go through the bins for coverless comics from the 50s. The bootlegging is there, dumb celebrities are often there, comics pros are sitting around trying to appear... creative? interested? not comatose? It's smaller, proportionately, and maybe not so much male bellowing and wallowing but it's pretty much the same. This is the ONLY general interest comics show hereabouts. I'll skip it from now on and just go to Stumptown Comics Fest in the spring, which is interesting and fun, has NO stormtroopers and is all about the local and national independent comics scene.

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[info]evandorkin
2008-11-17 04:55 am UTC (link)
Isn't the Emerald City Con in Portland? I've heard decent things about it, thought it was supposed to be an alright show. Sounds like a general interest event, at least.

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[info]ratpack218
2008-11-17 04:43 am UTC (link)
Seeing you, Sarah, and Emily was the best part of the day. If it wasn't you three being there, I would have never had went to that freak show. It seems every year it gets worse. I hope you liked the Kirby pic and I'm really glad that Emily liked George the monkey. I hope to see you at NYCC.

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[info]evandorkin
2008-11-17 04:53 am UTC (link)
Emily loves George the Monkey, and I hope you understood you were one of the breaths of fresh air in that cave I mentioned in the post, thanks again for stopping by. I haven't seen the Kirby pics yet because I slept about 14 hours after that show, I think my brain shut down and I went into hibernation, or perhaps our Hal 9000 unit was trying to kill me again. I spent the day helping Sarah build an Ikea dresser and then cleaning up crap and writing all this loveliness you see around you.

We may be at NYCC, as we explained. With SLG no longer attending we have no place to camp. We registered, we'll see if we get the okay for professional passes, as we can't justify paying for the three of us to get in there just to bum around. I'm hoping DHC might want me to hang around their set-up to talk up the Beasts project, but it may be too early in February for any chat on that. We'll see.

Anyway, thanks again! You helped keep us away from the window.

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[info]greliz
2008-11-17 04:47 am UTC (link)
Oh god, you're totally not overreacting, I was at the con on Saturday and spent most of the time hanging out with my friend at the MoCCa booth counting the number of really large people with backpacks. I took a few leisurely jaunts through the artists' alley over the course of the day and my god, you have my sympathies, that area was an absolute horrorshow. Definitely not worth the ticket price.

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[info]iron_spike
2008-11-17 04:53 am UTC (link)
...Wow.

Planning my con list for next year. It's been a while since I've had a genuinely bad con, but this report is sitting in the pit of my stomach like a lump of cold dough.

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Well, crap.
(Anonymous)
2008-11-17 06:11 am UTC (link)
If there was a convention where I could hang about your booth with several bottles of liquor and an ancient Greek joke book without getting security called on me, it sounds like I just missed it.

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[info]4_eyez
2008-11-17 07:17 am UTC (link)
Brrrrr. Amazing post. It gave me flashbacks to the same show three years ago. I was invited along with [info]man_size and Harvey Pekar to talk about American Splendor. As part of the deal, I got a free table in Artists' Alley, where I sat for a few hours before and after the panel. Man-o-man was it depressing! You captured my experience in perfect detail, and described its exquisite horror in a way I could only dream of. Back then, I wanted to blog about my experience at the show (just to warn others, if nothing else), but I couldn't bear to revisit the memories. And like you I figured it was some anachronistic remnant of an extinct species. I also grew up on such cons back in the '80s, but at least then I was a fresh-faced kid/fan, and could enjoy the proximity to my cartoonist idols. So awful to think these things continue to lurch along. Maybe Obama's first act in office could be to outlaw next year's National?

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[info]ihnatko
2008-11-17 07:55 am UTC (link)
Wow, your post made me weirdly nostalgic. It's been about five years since I've attended any sort of largish con. My last one was a Penn Plaza convention. My experiences were almost verbatim as you described them. In fact, I seem to remember some convention organizer from Boston giving you a hard time.

Overall it made me realize that I was spending good money to have a bad time. And that was it for any con of any real size or attendance.

I've no desire to return, o'course. But man, how amazing that the unpleasantness never changes.

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(Anonymous)
2008-11-17 10:49 pm UTC (link)
ah, i just go to pick up some old smelly comics...the artists/creator areas usually look so hectic i don't even want to go in the area even if it might be fun to get some autographs or b.s. or whatever.

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Re: Wayback - [info]ihnatko, 2008-11-18 02:36 am UTC (Expand)

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