Evan Dorkin ([info]evandorkin) wrote,
@ 2009-06-11 12:09:00
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Entry tags:churlishness, flu, mocca, the usual

Sickbed's Better Than A Deathbed/MOCCA Wrap-Up
Been knocked out since Monday with the flu. I'm feeling better now, at least I can work again, I was zonked the first two days and mostly stayed in bed and slept. It figures I'd have to get sick to get a decent night's sleep. We're far behind on work now, owing to MOCCA and both of us being under the weather. Which has been gloomy, if anyone cares. Emily is going nuts because she's feeling fine and is bored, poor thing.

Fallout from my MOCCA post: mostly being called some names, including "churlish" by one blogger named Sean Collins, for suggesting the Armory looked like a gym. Oh, my! Churlish! Prithy, I must make haste to a nunnery! I do hope he hurled his ye olde English epithets at the dozen or so other folks who invoked the same dastardly heresies about a big, old gloomy building (gym, flea-market, another blogger named Tucker Stone said it reminded him of a place from his youth where they held ye olde wrestling matches). So, have at thee, I slap thy face with a kid glove. He also called me a professional parade rainer or something like that. They always discount the nice things you say for the bad, yes, they do. However many upbeat MOCCA reports I've written in the past, however many times I've plugged the show and invited folks to attend, one bad review, I'm the Rainmaker. Boom, crash, head indoors, here comes the good time hammer to ruin everything for no reason at all. As if what I said made life harder on anyone than the lack of air conditioning or organization at MOCCA. As if what I said wasn't true, or within reason. Looked like a gym show to me, looked like a gym show to plenty of people who were there. Looks like it in a lot of the pictures folks posted from the event. Give me a break, thee.

Sorry about all the bullshit Thor talk, but I'm a sucker for writing that crap. I'll probably do it onceth or twiceth more before I'm doneth. Yeah, that was awful. Sorry.

Tucker Stone also made some remark about me that involved my biting the heads off live chickens at the Puck Building. I stopped doing the geek thing at the second SPX, so where he's coming from, I don't know. But it's nice to see my name tossed around on all these smart blogs. It's not the reason why I write about convention experiences, but since I never put out any new books, I guess it counts as some sort of PR. What ho!

Otherwise, I was going to post about some more stuff that bugged me about MOCCA -- some of the more nonsensical rejoinders to the complaints about the show ("It's NYC in the summer! It's supposed to be hot! Get over it!" As if the heat was all there was to it. "Comics are awesome! The parties were awesome! Whooo!" Ah, to be young and drunk again...), what I felt was the complete mishandling this year of the charity sketch tables, and the real problems with the refund policy for tables - oh, hell, let's go with that last one because it's a real mess and people will actually have to deal with this if they want to exhibit.

So, here's the refund policy as stated on the sheet they gave out at MOCCA:

- $50 non-refundable deposit.
- 10% processing fee on cancellations before October 2009 (so, that's $90, not $50)
- After February 5th, 2010, non-refundable deposit rises to $100 per table
- After April 16th, no refunds
- Refunds will only be issued when the canceled tables are re-sold

Um, okay. I think these are steep, maybe that's just me. And I don't know the old refund policies, because they were never so terribly interesting that Sarah had to point them out before we wrote out our check at the end of the show, so I can't compare. They obviously have their reasoning. I understand the event is a fundraiser, and whatever they can make goes to the museum. Okay, got it.

But here's what gets me: THEY HAVE NO DATES FOR THE NEXT SHOW. How can you expect people to reserve a table for the following year if they don't know when the event will be held -- and then slap them with these refund policies if the announced dates conflict with their lives? What if the show ends up on your anniversary? Mother's birthday? Vacation? Whatever? What if it ends up in July, or who knows when, because of NYC scheduling and the way things can go? How can you hold people to that refund policy without that information being available? 

Also, am I reading this right? If you wait to cancel until November, and do so before February -- you avoid the 10% processing fee? Does that make sense for them? Or am I missing something? It looks to me that a reasonable person could assume there's no 10% fee after October, and the $100 fee doesn't kick in until Feb, so...um...I dunno. Don't cancel until November, folks. Then argue with them some. Maybe you'll save a few bucks.

Here's another thing -- paying for a table is no guarantee of placement. Meaning, your table has no set space. meaning, how do you tell for sure whether or not they've re-sold "your" table? Okay, they would go by the date of the table being reserved. Sure, makes sense, right? But so many folks put in for the table on the last day of MOCCA, so that would be a "tie", if you get me. Who would know how it would actually be worked out? Call me paranoid, I'm more worried about mistakes than conspiracy, but I don't trust folks well enough to have them tell me whether "my" table has been re-sold or not when I have no way of knowing what "my" table was and who got it. I'm cynical that way, especially after seeing how things ran this year.

Anyway, another reason for me -- me, I say, me, I, not you, I'm not trying to churlishly rain on any parades here -- not to invest $400 bucks for a year with so many unanswered questions floating about the next show. And if I'm beating up on a show I normally love, then I'm not the only one. There's a lot of back and forth on this year's show out there on the world wide interweb, I'm far from the only one who wasn't impressed. Hot venue, overall disorganization (a volunteer posted in the comments section of my previous post that they were confused -- I mean, what the huh?), lack of PR, miserable website, bad information, unnecessary instructions, late opening, and now no set event dates coupled with a table increase and a wonky refund policy. You tell me. Did I rain on that parade, along with a few dozen others if not more, or did the parade kind of rain on itself just a little bit?

Also, why would anyone open a show late because of late books? Hasn't anyone discussed the lack of tickets and badges -- our row had badges but tohers didn't when we arrived -- seem more the cause? We saw plenty of books on tables when we got there, they can let people inside to wait for books, don't you think? If they could let them inside.

Here's the bottom line: Support the small press. Support comics. Keep an open mind. But call out stuff that is messed up, not working or just plain sucks. If MOCCA was arguably broken this year, it can be fixed. Let's hope for that, and keep our eyes out to see how things go. But people should be made aware of the problems because some folks are considering exhibiting, and a bad show can hurt you financially. A bad experience can sour you on further experiences. People should know the negatives as well as the positives about comics, about everything, because that's how you learn to avoid what might not work for you. If you want to make comics for the long haul, if you're passionate about comics and creating them, that's awesome. But  let's be realistic here, even if it hurts a little. Not everything's great. We should talk about that stuff, too. It might make a difference for someone just starting out.

And for the last time, bloggers -- THERE WAS NO FIRE AT THE PUCK BUILDING LAST YEAR. Stop saying that fer chrissakes.

Talk to you kids soon, gotta go make stuff.



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[info]r_lex
2009-06-11 05:31 pm UTC (link)
See this sort of thing all the time in the music scene, people thinking that "supporting the scene" means never saying anything even vaguely negative. It's dumb, and leads to lowered expectations and quality levels overall.

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[info]jaymarcy
2009-06-11 06:05 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, what was it with that talk of a fire last year? I was there, you were there-no fire-just someone pulled an alarm or something. The hellish wait outside (even in the shade, I was dripping...) was the biggest pain in the ass about that.
As for the new venue and it's organization (if you cxan call it that...), I agree with a lot of it. Without question, MoCCA needs more space, and the limited walls of the Puck Building weren't good enough. Was the Armory better? Likely not, though overall, I had a fairly decent time.
Like I said to my tablemate and anyone else who would listen, finding decent sized, afforable available real estate in Manhattan to house the show is likely not possible (and this is coming from a Canadian...).
We were part of the fucked up badges (we din't get ours until an hour later then our arrival, and even then they were missing the plastic sleeves, which my buddy finally flipped out about to get em...), the late opening was good only if you wanted to see all the folks and buy shit before the crush of fans, and the heat, well, whatever, but it was bad Sunday for sure.
I liked the bigger space, I liked everyone being in the same room, I liked that 100 more exhibitors were able to set up (though they could have easily fit 100 more in there...), but hell no, you're not being "churlish" at all with your complaints. A lot of others echoed the same thing, including myself.
The higher table price is a kick in the teeth, though we still put our dibs in on a space for next year, cause this shit'll sell out fast anyway.
Website was shit, organization this year was sub par. Hopefully they can pull that together for next year.

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[info]evandorkin
2009-06-11 08:18 pm UTC (link)
We might use the table monye and put it into trying a show we haven't done. Stumptown, I dunno, something else to shake things up for us.

I wonder if they looked at anything in Brooklyn? Or something outdoors, like the Renegade Craft Fair, held the same weekend, iirc?

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[info]andrewfarago
2009-06-11 08:55 pm UTC (link)
Stumptown's one of my favorite conventions these days. The table prices are low, Portland's lousy with cartoonists, and you need to actually have comics for sale to be approved for a table at the convention. (People are still free to sell dolls, t-shirts, jewelry, etc., but not if there isn't any comics content at the table.)

I don't think there's as much money to be made at Stumptown as there is at MoCCA, but you're a rare sight at west coast conventions, so you'd probably do pretty well for yourself.

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[info]evandorkin
2009-06-12 10:34 pm UTC (link)
Doing shows isn't always about doing business. I can't afford to shows where I'll lose money, because I'm not a single dolt with little to do, and working the days of the show instead of attending and selling will usually be more profitable than most shows I do. I don't sell a ton of stuff, our books are old, my art usually doesn't fly out the door. So, that doesn't bother me. And yeah, the first time a mid-carder like me does a new show, I usually do well. After that, not so well, unless there's a new, decent book out. Which there usually isn't.

I don't think MOCCA's a huge $ show for most folks. Good, sure, not great, unless you're FBI or D&Q or Top Shelf. By and large, mind you. We do very nicelyt by the general standards, from what I've gathered. Not a big original art crowd, most of the folks attending are cartoonists or live like cartoonists. Probably true of Stumptown, come to think of it. At least in my experience, in general the mainstream shows or hybrids have attendees with deeper pockets than the artsy shows. As much as I love the artsy shows, artsy folks are usually less able or willing to spend at the tables. Or they're skint because they bought a table and are trying to make back their own costs. Young, enthusiastic, broke.

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[info]calamityjon
2009-06-11 10:51 pm UTC (link)
I will warn you now that if an underventilated venue is a matter of concern, then Stumptown might just metaphorically kill you and spit on your grave. I've enjoyed both shows I've attended, but the packed, hot atmosphere gets to me and I'm usually leaving the building every fifteen minutes to cool off in the parking garage ...

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[info]andrewfarago
2009-06-12 12:48 am UTC (link)
I've never had that problem at Stumptown, to be honest, but the convention is a half-minute walk from a nice air-conditioned hotel if you ever need a breather.

Two things that stand out about Stumptown that I haven't experienced at any other convention:

*The volunteer staff patrols the halls regularly, offering glasses of water and whatever assistance they can to exhibitors. I saw them filling in for a guest who had to leave suddenly on Saturday, and they quickly scored us a couple of extra chairs the last time we went, no questions asked.

*The organizers walked the convention floor on Sunday and personally thanked everyone for exhibiting. It's a really simple gesture, and it's logistically impossible at some of the bigger shows, but they really did make all of us feel really welcome.

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[info]real_gone_girl
2009-06-12 07:28 pm UTC (link)
so i'm a bit on the anemic side, so being *cold* at conventions is much more often my complaint than being hot. i also stand behind a table all day in t-shirts & miniskirts, being as how i am my own booth babe. at bigger conventions, like wondercon & especially san diego, i basically shiver through the day. so that's where i'm coming from.

mocca this year (my fourth year exhibiting, though i've been lucky to always be on the ground floor at the puck) was the hottest convention i have ever experienced. i had sweat pouring off me constantly. & it may have been the heat or the weird lighting or a combination, but for part of the first day i was literally seeing spots in front of my eyes, with like 1/3 of the vision gone in my right eye for twenty minutes on day one. i also had to drink constantly to keep from feeling faint.

what i mean to say is, in my experience, stumptown is nothing like that. i've been to two stumptowns in its current location, including the latest one. they've been on the cool side for me, where i feel like i need a sweater at the beginning & the end, but feel comfortable at the peak hours. it might be hot for someone who's just coming in from rigourous activity out in the sun, or someone who starts sweating when the temperature goes above 68f, but trust me, it's not in the same league as mocca this year.

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[info]calamityjon
2009-06-12 08:14 pm UTC (link)
Okay, well never mind Evan, Stumptown is apparently cold.

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[info]evandorkin
2009-06-12 10:20 pm UTC (link)
I think people are just trying to tell you that MOCCA was stupidly, terribly, unbearably hot. More than a few reports out there of swimming heads, seeing dots, and blurring out. Myself included. Do people actually bail out of Stumptown because of the heat? Because folks left MOCCA early, some after only a half an hour. We've been to warm shows, hot shows, no A/C shows, cloying shows, badly ventilated shows, this was the worst. I've been going to shows and sitting behind tables for about 27 years now (oh, god...help me...) It was very bad.

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[info]allnerdreview
2009-06-14 04:26 am UTC (link)
Renegade was another miserable sweat-fest last year. I could barely make the rounds in the uneven, hazy summer empty-swimming pool they had it in.

All other points : agreed.

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[info]txtriffidranch
2009-06-11 06:40 pm UTC (link)
If it helps, I still take crap over a lovely convention fiasco of my own, and that fiasco happened nearly a decade ago. Most of the people bitching the loudest are the ones who hope to rimjob their way into the graces of the convention staff, and they'll go into full Eltingville mode to scream "You're WRONG!" if anybody had anything other than the absolutely transcendental experience they had. Of course, these are also the same people who are thrilled to be sharing a table with the guy who did a walkon as an extra in Space Precinct fifteen years ago, and how DARE you tell them that they might be wanting a bit more out of life than to be a guest at an A-Kon.

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[info]jbacardi
2009-06-11 07:10 pm UTC (link)
If you ever get a sitcom, you should call it "My Name is Churl".

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[info]fortninety
2009-06-11 08:33 pm UTC (link)
First off, I can't believe that people still gave you grief in the first place. Generally speaking, cartoonists are a bit too forgiving when it comes to address a con's issues after the fact. That need to be positive no matter what has always been somewhat irksome, though somewhat par for the course at this point. Hence why I was so shocked that everyone across the board has been so vocal about this past weekend debacle (some might feel such a term is a bit too extreme, but I stick by it). Basically, what you've said is really no different than many other sentiments.

That being said, I would love to see people try to defend MoCCA now in light of this brand new information. Thanks for the head's up.

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[info]evandorkin
2009-06-12 10:15 pm UTC (link)
I'm sure some people honestly had a wonderful time at MOCCA and don't get the complaints.

For me, a lot of people want MOCCA to be wonderful because they want to be part of something wonderful. FOr some you can replace "want" with "need". Some folks don't want their experience rattled, or their determination to have an experience. No one wants to feel like they got less value for their money, or that previous shows the kicked the ass of "their" show. Better to ignore or gloss over a laundry list of very real problems affecting many others, if not themselves, than to admit perhaps your awesome comic book coming out party and happening was flawed.

We had one of the best spaces at the Puck Building, but I understood a lot of folks were hurting on the 7th floor. I understand the need to move (beyond the fact that they had to, because they were outpriced) out of the Puck. This wasn't a lateral move, or an improvement, I don't think better panel space and "an even playing field" on the floor (which will still leave folks complaining about their space, complaining about hotter conditions --the center could not hold me for a minute, I wouldn't stop to talk to anyone near the Comic bakery, which I believe was actually baking -- and still leave those who will feel slighted and unappreciated).

People will think what they want. I would be very interested in knowing the amount of tables pre-sold Sunday, as compared to last year, adjusted for the increase in space. But I'm not a reporter. I'm simply a professional parade-rainer.

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[info]fortninety
2009-06-12 10:59 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, whenever anyone invests a considerable amount of time and money into any sort of endeavor, the last thing said person wants to hear is how one major component was an epic fail. Especially when it's not just a joy-kill but something that causes them to reflect on what they're doing exactly in the first place.

Not saying that MoCCA was so bad that it made people go "fuck this shit" when it came to their careers in cartooning, though I did speak to at least one person who had to state afterward "I am getting a bit too old for this". And given the diminished returns that's inherent in the world of cartooning, when a big-time show like MoCCA blows it big time, it is indeed a cause for serious concern for everyone across the board, even those that had a great time/did very well financially speaking.

I also know some folks who had a stellar time at the show, and good for them. What gets me is when people roll their eyes at those who didn't and accuse them of being complainers or overly negative. Especially when the only defense that can be mustered is "it's New York, it's supposed to be hot during the summer" or something equally inane.

Regarding the Puck Building, and I know others will vehemently refute this, but I knew a few folks who were actually fairly happy with the space last year. Mostly because the AC up there was working (the year before it did not) and the plethora of signs and volunteers to remember attendees of the additional floor.

One idea that a friend suggested, which I think is fairly sensible, is to go back to the Puck Building and offer a reduced rate to those that do not mind being on the 7th floor, and for those that insist on being on the ground could absorb the additional cost and pay a premium. I still insist that having everything in one big room is just plain ridiculous, at least with such harsh lighting and all the other annoyances that the staff did nothing to help circumvent.

I remember when I posted my final "see you at the show folks!" post on my blog, I felt like an idiot for neglecting to provide my table number, like everyone else had been doing, though in the end it was a complete non-issue. But hopefully many of these issues will be addressed next time around, since that email that everyone got a few days ago is more than likely prompted by the fact that they know that everyone's mad as hell.

Though if it's not a crisp, cool 65 degrees the minute people step foot in that space come next year (whenever it might be), there's gonna be a riot, plain and simple.

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[info]evandorkin
2009-06-13 01:10 am UTC (link)
Well, again, I believe, from what several folks have said, the Puck Bldg is simply not happening. Not an option.

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[info]slowdance13
2009-06-11 09:13 pm UTC (link)
Personally...I think you being willing to stand up and say "this is shit", on both this and your other con(s) experience, has opened up the floor to criticism.

I didn't get to go this year, and I love MoCCA, but I totally predicted the heat issue when I found out where the venue was going to be. And wondered if anyone would say anything. And when I read several other roundups of it this year, the exact same points you mentioned were brought up.

It's a shame that people feel the need to automatically feel that "MoCCA/indie = always good and in the right", because it's not industry-wide. People complain about San Diego all the time, but no one cares about that because it's the "big industry" convention, so it's OK to criticize The Man.

Hopefully things will look up next year, if the hullabaloo about this year gets big enough.

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[info]unknownrockstar
2009-06-12 03:14 am UTC (link)
You wrote "tohers" instead of "others" Evan, I have lost all respect for you as you clearly have no respect for the Queen's English, how could you?

kiddin. well you do have that typo.

I dunno what the fuck is wrong with people, you were very nice! you pointed out good stuff too! I really wanted to go to that show, I'm glad I didn't now! I'll research the venue next year to make sure it's got AC before deciding to go or not. I thought you were almost too kind frankly in your critique.

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[info]tomix
2009-06-13 04:04 am UTC (link)
I can't promise a huge crowd, but *S.P.A.C.E.'s tables are pretty reasonable (last year was $65 after January. Next year's table rate is going to remain the same. All tables are full tables.) Show's held in Columbus, Ohio. If it was 90 outside it wouldn't matter, the new venue is air-conditioned. Unfortunately it's the same weekend as Stumptown. Couldn't have been helped, it was the only time available. The show's been going on for 10 years on.

*full disclosure, I'm a volunteer for the show.

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[info]evandorkin
2009-06-13 08:01 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I'd do SPACE if I could. Never looked into it. Thought about Mid-Ohio Con a few times.

I've never hit the area, only been there once, when a friend of mine (Robbie Busch, ex- Instant Pianist) and I got lost coming back from a Detroit Con. We stayed at Jay Geldhof and Jill Thompson's house, Robbie knew them and called on them and they agreed to shelter us from the rain (kinda literally). That's how I met Jill, actually. And the next day, P. Craig Russell. Kooky.

The vagabond comics life.

Anyway, Ohio, yeah, maybe someday, I guess, at some venue. Maybe. Thanks for chiming in.

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порно сперма анал
порно голики с мадонной
просто очень люблю секс
видео ролики порно совсем юных
порно инцест племянник
секс на один день
минет киев
минет азиатка
секс в кабинете у гинеколога
работа секс киев
я девушка хачу секса
семейное порно смотреть
возбуждающий секс
тощие девочки порно
порно мультик про
самый необычный секс
новосибирск ночной клуб секс
юля беретта секси
порно каблучки
супер секси девочки
сайт колготок
пенис младенцев
проекции вид
секс с юлей
азиатские оральный секс

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